Todd Cordell: How Much is Eric Gelinas Worth?

Interesting to see if Gelinas gets close to $2M per after Larsson just got $900K. I guess Larsson's is only a one year so if he can establish himself this season he could earn himself a nice raise next summer.

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Todd Cordell: How Much is Eric Gelinas Worth?
- Todd.Cordell

You're right I did forget

He'll probably get what Larsson is getting

Todd Cordell: How Much is Eric Gelinas Worth?
- Todd.Cordell

Not as much a Martin Gelinas

Shouldn't get anything more than $1.5 million. He was good offensively but he was awful defensively.

I'd expect him to be signed to a term/money that could be traded if need be.

He actually has leverage to ask for decent money despite playing so little time. Dollar amounts usually hinge on point production, for better or worse, and that's one thing Gelly has going for him.

He'll get more than Larsson, this negotiation could actually be drawn out for a bit.

He actually has leverage to ask for decent money despite playing so little time. Dollar amounts usually hinge on point production, for better or worse, and that's one thing Gelly has going for him.

He'll get more than Larsson, this negotiation could actually be drawn out for a bit.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Gelinas has no leverage and there's not much pressure on Lou to get a deal done right away. If he was even mediocre defensively he'd be in a much better position. As it stands he might get more than Larsson, but I doubt he'll get too much more given how many times he was either scratched or made the 7th dman. If it takes a while to get done, it'll be because Gelly or his agent are over-estimating their negotiating power.

Gelinas has no leverage and there's not much pressure on Lou to get a deal done right away. If he was even mediocre defensively he'd be in a much better position. As it stands he might get more than Larsson, but I doubt he'll get too much more given how many times he was either scratched or made the 7th dman. If it takes a while to get done, it'll be because Gelly or his agent are over-estimating their negotiating power.
- CaptCrankypants

I agree he was terrible defensively, but the point of my comment was that if you look at contract negotiations, point production is what drives the dollar amount. Fair or unfair, that is what Gelina's agent will be arguing.

Look at the comparables in Todd's blog.

Gelinas has no leverage and there's not much pressure on Lou to get a deal done right away. If he was even mediocre defensively he'd be in a much better position. As it stands he might get more than Larsson, but I doubt he'll get too much more given how many times he was either scratched or made the 7th dman. If it takes a while to get done, it'll be because Gelly or his agent are over-estimating their negotiating power.
- CaptCrankypants

You realize that just because you are scratched a bunch of times doesn't mean it was justifyable or that it was warranted just because a coach makes a decision doesn't make it the right one I think there was certainly enough coaching mistakes made last year that I don't even take into account how many time larsson gets scratched and same goes for gelly because they where scratched on regular basis for worse players contracts determed play last year not production or skill its stupid things like this that lower the value of your assets because people think they aren't good enough when we all saw with our own eyes that both sal and a train where out played on a regular basis

Just some interesting notes from Pete DeBoer on monday. As I've said more than once, I think they've just been trying to bring Larsson along slowly. I don't think he or Gelinas have fallen out of favor for anyone.

Larsson, the fourth overall pick in the 2011 draft, will be looking to do that as well. He has yet to firmly established himself as an NHL regular after three seasons in North America, but DeBoer said that’s not unusual for a young defenseman.

When asked today what Larsson has to do to earn the coaching staff’s full confidence, DeBoer replied, “I don’t think Adam Larsson doesn’t have our full confidence.”

“Adam Larsson is taking the path that a lot of young defensemen do into the NHL where there’s steps forward and there’s setbacks,” DeBoer continued. “It’s not an easy position to play. You look back at the history of the league and you can count on one hand probably the number of guys that have stepped out of junior hockey at 18 and been impact players one, two, three years into their career.

“So, I think he’s right on target. He’s doing things the right way. I think we’ve handled him the right way. When he’s needed to take a step back, he’s taken a step back. This September, the opportunity is there for him to take a couple steps forward hopefully.”

Not to stir the pot, but I thought it made a lot of sense to scratch Gelinas a few times down the stretch. The team was in the middle of a dire playoff push and just got the point where they could no longer sacrifice defense for offense. Rather win games 2-1 than lose them 4-3. Defense is harder to see, few people wanted to admit how bad it was at the time.

I think they'll both play significant minutes this year.

[quote=njdevils350]Just some interesting notes from Pete DeBoer on monday. As I've said more than once, I think they've just been trying to bring Larsson along slowly. I don't think he or Gelinas have fallen out of favor for anyone.



Not to stir the pot, but I thought it made a lot of sense to scratch Gelinas a few times down the stretch. The team was in the middle of a dire playoff push and just got the point where they could no longer sacrifice defense for offense. Rather win games 2-1 than lose them 4-3. Defense is harder to see, few people wanted to admit how bad it was at the time.

No doubt gelinas deserved to watch a couple games but like Todd said he wasn't setting the team back at all. Marty brodeur with the 45 best sv % for goalies eligible on a team that was top three for shots allowed likely had more to do with us giving away points but I guess the rookie will be the scapegoat for that. What really amazes me is that he wasn't even given the best chances on the pp everything he did he created himself we needed more guys who drive offense last season and he was one of them you can't spend an entire game trying to not get scored on and we needed help putting the puck in the net but I like what Pete said there just not sure how much I believe it of course he is going to say things like that bit we will see what his actions do

[quote=njdevils350]Just some interesting notes from Pete DeBoer on monday. As I've said more than once, I think they've just been trying to bring Larsson along slowly. I don't think he or Gelinas have fallen out of favor for anyone.



Not to stir the pot, but I thought it made a lot of sense to scratch Gelinas a few times down the stretch. The team was in the middle of a dire playoff push and just got the point where they could no longer sacrifice defense for offense. Rather win games 2-1 than lose them 4-3. Defense is harder to see, few people wanted to admit how bad it was at the time.

No doubt gelinas deserved to watch a couple games but like Todd said he wasn't setting the team back at all. Marty brodeur with the 45 best sv % for goalies eligible on a team that was top three for shots allowed likely had more to do with us giving away points but I guess the rookie will be the scapegoat for that. What really amazes me is that he wasn't even given the best chances on the pp everything he did he created himself we needed more guys who drive offense last season and he was one of them you can't spend an entire game trying to not get scored on and we needed help putting the puck in the net but I like what Pete said there just not sure how much I believe it of course he is going to say things like that bit we will see what his actions do
- blizzzard

Brodeur had more to do with it, but certainly there were points where Gelinas mistakes set the team back. He'll be fine though. He'll learn how to handle skaters trying to go wide on him.

I don't know that I would expect DeBoer to say that either. He could've dumped Larsson in the same boat as Severson, "go earn your spot". To me, it sounds more like "He's going to be a top four defenseman, and you're asking me ridiculous questions about my confidence in him."

Just my take.

Brodeur had more to do with it, but certainly there were points where Gelinas mistakes set the team back. He'll be fine though. He'll learn how to handle skaters trying to go wide on him.

I don't know that I would expect DeBoer to say that either. He could've dumped Larsson in the same boat as Severson, "go earn your spot". To me, it sounds more like "He's going to be a top four defenseman, and you're asking me ridiculous questions about my confidence in him."

Just my take.
- njdevils350

I hope so Pete is a good coach and I like him but everything about this org makes you scratch your head

Shouldn't get anything more than $1.5 million. He was good offensively but he was awful defensively.
- Rseen

I agree here.

Frankly I think it is sort of unfair for him to get more than Larsson as we all know that Larsson absolutely should have been played over Sal, (and Harrold) who was played over Lars because of politics not skill (as stated above).

But at the end of the day, Gelinas made waves with that blue-line blaster shot of his, and that will net him somewhere between 1 and 1.5 mill, possibly up to 2. If he can refine his defensive prowess, even to be an 'ok' defender, that shot still holds value.

My question is if Lou gives him 2 mill, does that make him seem more desirable to other teams as opposed to low balling and giving him 1-1.25? The 2 mill would communicate that the Devils see a lot of promise here. Smoke and mirrors to some extent but is it really.

You realize that just because you are scratched a bunch of times doesn't mean it was justifyable or that it was warranted just because a coach makes a decision doesn't make it the right one I think there was certainly enough coaching mistakes made last year that I don't even take into account how many time larsson gets scratched and same goes for gelly because they where scratched on regular basis for worse players contracts determed play last year not production or skill its stupid things like this that lower the value of your assets because people think they aren't good enough when we all saw with our own eyes that both sal and a train where out played on a regular basis
- blizzzard

Perception matters more than reality in this case.

Just some interesting notes from Pete DeBoer on monday. As I've said more than once, I think they've just been trying to bring Larsson along slowly. I don't think he or Gelinas have fallen out of favor for anyone.



Not to stir the pot, but I thought it made a lot of sense to scratch Gelinas a few times down the stretch. The team was in the middle of a dire playoff push and just got the point where they could no longer sacrifice defense for offense. Rather win games 2-1 than lose them 4-3. Defense is harder to see, few people wanted to admit how bad it was at the time.

I think they'll both play significant minutes this year.
- njdevils350

Except that never happened.

Brodeur had more to do with it, but certainly there were points where Gelinas mistakes set the team back. He'll be fine though. He'll learn how to handle skaters trying to go wide on him.

I don't know that I would expect DeBoer to say that either. He could've dumped Larsson in the same boat as Severson, "go earn your spot". To me, it sounds more like "He's going to be a top four defenseman, and you're asking me ridiculous questions about my confidence in him."

Just my take.
- njdevils350

Or Larsson is on a one way contract and is waiver eligible. Not like Pete has other options.

Lou said Josefson deal will be done today

Status quo on Gelinas

Lou said Josefson deal will be done today

Status quo on Gelinas
- dmarsden2988

8 years

Or Larsson is on a one way contract and is waiver eligible. Not like Pete has other options.
- rmdevil313

Sure he does. 3rd pair plays 8 minutes a game/

Except that never happened.
- rmdevil313

Of course it didn't. That's just what they were trying to accomplish.

"Jacob Josefson has agreed to a new contract with Devils. Lamoriello also said things remain "status quo" with unrestricted free agent left wing Ryan Carter."

He's trolling at this point.